OryCon 20 Program

As of November 11, 1998

An Index of Program Participants is also available.

Friday November 13, 1998

12:00 PM Friday

Santiam
The Future of Books
Bryant, James; Bunch, Chris; Elliot, Elton T; Howell, Dave; Taylor, Bruce

1:00 PM Friday

Klamath
Turkey Readings "It came from the slush pile"
Amsbury, Clifton; Gelb, Janice; Taylor, Bruce
Santiam
Favorite non-superhero comics
Lohkamp, David; Vick, Edd
Wilson
Using Horses in Fiction
Asher, Ellen; De Camp, John; MacGregor, Loren Joseph

2:00 PM Friday

Santiam
I'm an Actor, Not a Seamstress: Masquerade Presentation
Bigelow, Betty; Day, Joy; finder, jan howard
Klamath
Good Space Opera: Is there such a thing?
De Camp, John; MacGregor, Loren Joseph; McMaster Bujold, Lois; McCaffrey, Todd J
Wilson
Millennium Fever: Apocalyse Now?
Fiscus, James; Ice, Kathy; Rice, Michael; Scanlon, Michael; Slate, Glenn
Nehalem
Introduction to Filk
Bunnell, John; Kare, Jordin T
Nestucca
Reading: Adrienne Martine-Barnes
Martine-Barnes, Adrienne
Fan Room
Disastercons: Legends & Lessons
Amsbury, Clifton; Wells, Patty; Williams, Theo ; Yalow, Ben

3:00 PM Friday

Klamath
The Ethics of Euthanasia
Bigelow, Betty; Nisbet, Andrew; Rospach, Chuq Von ; Slate, Glenn
Santiam
A Paintbrush in the Door: the Artist/Editor Relationship
Alexander,Rob; Clark, Alan M.; Hudson, Heather; Silverstein, Janna
Wilson
What's new at Del Ray
Saffel, Steve
Nehalem
Don't Just Dodge the Slush Pile: Getting Past the First Reader
Bunch, Chris; Heald, Denise Lopes; Pelan, John; Swenson, Honna
Nestucca
Reading:
Dealers Room
Nina Kiriki Hoffman -3pm,Bruce Taylor - 3:30
Hoffman, Nina Kiriki; Taylor, Bruce

4:00 PM Friday

Klamath
Reconciling Religion & Science
Amsbury, Clifton; Forsythe, Margaret; Lovett, Richard A.; Nisbet, Andrew
Santiam
Is privacy possible in the Internet age?
Bunnell, John; Fiscus, James; Howell, Dave; Walsh, Michael
Wilson
What's new at Tor
Eddy, Claire; Minz, James
Nehalem
American Splatter: What's So Entertaining About Violence?
Johnson, Kij; Perry, Danielle Stephen
Nestucca
Reading:Honna Swenson, Louise Marley
Marley, Louise; Swenson, Honna

5:00 PM Friday

Klamath
Does Fantasy Need to Be Historically Accurate?
Asher, Ellen; McMaster Bujold, Lois; Radford, Irene
Santiam
Interview - Kathe Koja
Koja, Kathe; Bryant, Ed
Wilson
Adding Religion to the story
Hodgell, P.C.; What, Leslie
Nehalem
The Future of money (the world of one card, when there is no cash)
Howell, Dave; MacGregor, Loren Joseph; McMahon, Donna; Rice, Michael
Riverview
Opening Ceremonies Prep 1
Nestucca
Reading: Kij Johnson, Bruce Taylor
Johnson, Kij; Taylor, Bruce
Fan Room
Twenty Years of Uproar - fanzines of the seventies by David Langford
Langford, David
Dealers Room
Chris Bunch - 5PM, Steven Barnes
Barnes, Steve; Bunch, Chris

6:00 PM Friday

Klamath
Toy Wind-up (SF and Comic Toys)
York, J. Steven
Santiam
Filking Programming Item
Wilson
Filking: Programmming
Nehalem
Aging populations in first world countries (when everyone is old)
Cramer, Pauline; Hartman, Norman E.; Lyris, Sonia Orin; McCaffrey, Todd J
Riverview
Opening Ceremonies Prep 2
Nestucca
Reading: Irene Radford, Honna Swenson
Radford, Irene; Swenson, Honna

7:00 PM Friday

Klamath
Toy Wind-up (SF and Comic Toys) (part two)
York, J. Steven
Santiam
Filking
Wilson
Filking
Nehalem
Ethics, Copyrights, and Contracts: How not to get sued
Alexander,Rob; Butler, Gail; Obermarck, Philip R; Organ-Kean, Margaret; Pelz, Elayne
Riverview
Opening Ceremonies - ( Doors open 7:30 )
Asher, Ellen; Clark, Alan M.; Koja, Kathe; Langford, David; Longcor, Michael; McMaster Bujold, Lois; Waldrop, Howard
Nestucca
Reading: Ru Emerson,Chris York
Emerson, Ru; York, Chris

8:00 PM Friday

Klamath
Babylon 5 in Retrospect: Triumph, Flawed Masterpiece, or Nonsense?
Elliot, Elton T; Gregory, Hugh S; York, J. Steven
Santiam
Filking
Wilson
Filking
Nehalem
Cardinal Richelieu revisited - the priest in literature
Emerson, Ru; Radford, Irene
Riverview
Concert: Crooked Mile (start time 8:30)
Denz, Barbara; Denz, David

9:00 PM Friday

Klamath
Filking: Concerts
Santiam
Filking
Wilson
Filking
Nehalem
Readings from the works of Lionel Fanthorpe
Cross, Debbie
Riverview
Dance (turn over - start time 9:30)

10:00 PM Friday

Klamath
Filking: Concerts
Santiam
Filking
Wilson
Filking
Nehalem
Intro to Live Action Role Playing
Chu, Kwei Cee; Lasswell, Patrick S
Riverview
Dance

11:00 PM Friday

Klamath
Filking: Concerts
Santiam
Filking
Wilson
Filking
Nehalem
Character Development in Gothic Fiction
Chu, Kwei Cee; Lasswell, Patrick S
Riverview
Dance

12:00 AM Friday

Klamath
Filking: Concerts
Santiam
Filking
Wilson
Filking
Nehalem
Pagan Circle
Williams, Theo
Riverview
Dance
Nestucca
Midnight Horror Reading (Friday)
Glass, James C.; Johnson, Kij; Perry, Danielle Stephen; Pryor-Brown, Anthony

1:00 AM Friday

Nehalem
Changeling (faerie) Court

Saturday November 14, 1998

9:30 AM Saturday

Klamath
Christian Fandom
Forsythe, Margaret

9:00 AM Saturday

Riverview
Steven Barnes Tai Chi
Barnes, Steve

9:30 AM Saturday

Nestucca
Reading: Robert Sheckley
Sheckley, Robert

10:00 AM Saturday

Klamath
Christian Fandom
Forsythe, Margaret
Santiam
Converting the Military-Industrial Complex to Space
Gregory, Hugh S; Holt, Marilyn; Kare, Jordin T; Kemper, Bart; Noller Brian; Sauby, Shane
Wilson
The Transformative power of Art
Koja, Kathe; Lieder, Rick; Rice, Roberta; Rufo, Leonardo D.
Nehalem
Gems & Minerals (Kids Programming Demo)
Jeter, Geri
Nestucca
Reading: Mark Bourne, Steve Perry
Bourne, Mark; Perry, Steve
Dealers Room
John G Cramer 10:00,Michael Scanlon 10:30
Cramer, John G; Scanlon, Michael

11:00 AM Saturday

Klamath
How to kill off characters
Harper, Tara; Marley, Louise; McMaster Bujold, Lois; Vukcevich, Ray; Wrench, Sara
Santiam
Cold Fusion & Other Free Energy Futures
Cramer, John G; Elliot, Elton T; Hartman, Norman E.; Kemper, Bart
Wilson
Historical Costuming
Landry, Bridget; MacGregor, Lauryn Cone; Sardo, Pippin; Taubeneck, Susan; Zetterberg, Julie
Nehalem
Imagination Fully Dilated - GOH Artist Alan M Clark
Clark, Alan M.
Riverview (Stage)
History of Japanese Kimonos
Strub, Debbie
Riverview (1)
Anime: Is It a Geographic or a Thematic Definition?
Patten, Fred
Riverview (2)
Theory of Color Mechanics - Draw a Dragon
Butler, Gail
Riverview (3)
Neo-Paganism: Ancient Wisdom or Wishful Thinking
Lohkamp, David; Nelson, Louise
Riverview (4)
Art workshop with Rob Alexander - Watercolours
Alexander,Rob
Nestucca
Reading: Jim Fiscus, Nina Kiriki Hoffman
Fiscus, James; Hoffman, Nina Kiriki
Fan Room
Amateur Press Associations (APA's)
Bratman, David; Busby, Elinor; Gelb, Janice
Dealers Room
P.C. Hodgell 11AM, Bruce Holland Rogers -11:30am
Hodgell, P.C.; Holland Rogers, Bruce

12:00 PM Saturday

Klamath
Combat Scenes for Couch Potatoes or How to Fake Your Characters' Fights
Barnes, Steve; Bunch, Chris; Duval, Dan; Perry, Danielle Stephen; Saffel, Steve
Santiam
Full-Time Freelancing: Dangers & Rewards
Denz, Barbara; Harper, Tara; Johnson, Kij; Koja, Kathe; Waldrop, Howard
Wilson
Ask Dr. Genius: Ad-Lib Answers to Audience Questions
Davidson, Howard; Hartman, Norman E.; Letourneau, Guy; Levine, David; Mason, Cyn; Moscoe, Mike
Nehalem
Historical Fiction
Forsythe, Margaret; Jeter, K.W.; Marley, Louise; Rice, Roberta; Waters, Elisabeth; Wrench, Sara
Riverview (Stage)
Movement in costume - Why does my cape just hang there?
finder, jan howard; Nelson, Louise; Sardo, Pippin; Zetterberg, Julie
Riverview (1)
Aikyd Painting Demo: Synthic oil with Adrian Bourne
Bourne, Adrian
Riverview (2)
Costuming: Making simple buckram hats
MacGregor, Lauryn Cone
Riverview (3)
Writing for fun and profit with Robert Hale
Hale, Robert
Riverview (4)
Art: Window on the Soul (Your Emotional Investment in Your Art) -with Joy Day
Day, Joy
Quiet Bar
ASFA Meeting
Organ-Kean, Margaret
Nestucca
Reading: Denise Lopes Heald
Heald, Denise Lopes
Dealers Room
Chris York- Noon , Robert Sheckley - Noon, Steven R Boyett 12:30
Boyett, Steven R.; Sheckley, Robert; York, Chris

1:00 PM Saturday

Klamath
Send in the Clones: The Ethics of Biotech
Asher, Ellen; Goldoff, Marcia; Lyris, Sonia Orin; McMaster Bujold, Lois; Oltion, Jerry; Sauby, Shane
Santiam
Linguistics a la Dolittle: Talking to the Aliens (or Animals)
Lamb, Jean
Wilson
Constructing a Consistent Ethnography
Forsythe, Margaret; Johnson, Kij; Pryor-Brown, Anthony; Thomson, Amy
Nehalem
Electronic Fanac: Usenet and other time-sinks
Duval, Dan; Gelb, Janice; Yalow, Ben
Riverview (Stage)
Costuming: Troubleshooting problem costumes
Nelson, Louise; Sardo, Pippin
Riverview (1)
Origami For Kids
Walsh, Susan
Riverview (2)
Computing with Rocks
Letourneau, Guy
Riverview (3)
Writing Short stories with Bruce Holland Rogers
Holland Rogers, Bruce
Riverview (4)
Comics: How to start an Independent Comic company
Vick, Edd; Barr, Donna
Nestucca
Reading: Alan M Clark
Clark, Alan M.
Fan Room
Fannish History: Archive & Anecdotes
Amsbury, Clifton; Kaufman, Jerry; Patten, Fred; Tompkins, Suzanne
Dealers Room
Patty Briggs - 1pm, Ru Emerson - 1:30pm
Briggs, Patty; Emerson, Ru

2:00 PM Saturday

Klamath
Chicks in Chainmail: Comedy vs. Accuracy
Asher, Ellen; Barnes, Steve; Bourne, Mark; Harper, Tara; Mason, Cyn
Santiam
Lois McMaster Bujold GOH Reading
McMaster Bujold, Lois
Wilson
Loss of Literary Diversity in the Marketplace
Bunnell, John; Gloss, Molly; Minz, James; Saffel, Steve; Vukcevich, Ray
Nehalem
Flesh eating microbes, etc.: Plagues to watch for
Fiscus, James; Duval, Dan; Goldoff, Marcia
Riverview (1)
Meet Bobby Bandura - hands on demo for kids of all ages
Torley, Roy
Riverview (2)
How to create a Fabric Boa
Bigelow, Betty
Riverview (3)
Pagan Zine publishing - Perils & Pleasures
Kaufman, Jerry
Riverview (4)
The art of Massage with Tom Whitmore
Whitmore, Tom
Quiet Bar
SF & Fantasy Poetry: Whys & Wherefores
Ayne, Blythe; De Camp, John; Tucker, Judy L
Nestucca
Reading: Jim Glass, K.W. Jeter
Glass, James C.; Jeter, K.W.
Dealers Room
Kathe Koja - 2pm, Steve Perry - 2:30
Koja, Kathe; Perry, Steve

3:00 PM Saturday

Klamath
David Langford: the Interview
Langford, David; Sullivan, Geri
Santiam
Xena and Hercules: What's the attraction?
Emerson, Ru; Lohkamp, David; Saffel, Steve; Walsh, Michael
Wilson
Science of Architecture
Kemper, Bart; McMahon, Donna; Rice, Michael
Nehalem
Screenwriting: Beating the odds
Barnes, Steve; Boyett, Steven R.; Bunch, Chris; Perry, Steve
Riverview (1)
Demo tips & techniques of Modeling & miniature work
Rufo, Leonardo D.
Riverview (2)
Using Feminist themes
Swallow, Lisa
Riverview (3)
First Novels: The road to the editor's desk
McKenna, Bridget; Shapiro, Shelly
Riverview (4)
Birth of a Magic Card - Overview of Design Process
Hudson, Heather
Quiet Bar
HWA Meeting
Noller Brian
Nestucca
Reading: P.C. Hodgell, Jerry Oltion
Hodgell, P.C.; Oltion, Jerry
Green Room
Sketch a Novel in an Hour with Chris York (90 minute panel) (small panel - sign up)
York, Chris
Fan Room
Writing for Free: the Zine-Writer's mindset
Kaufman, Jerry; Lamb, Jean; Levine, David
Dealers Room
Howard Waldrop
Waldrop, Howard
Art Show
Alan Clark autograph session
Clark, Alan

4:00 PM Saturday

Klamath
Susan C. Petrey Fund Auction Setup
Santiam
Jam in the Key of C
Alexander, Heather; Denz, David; Korn, Meryle; Longcor, Michael
Wilson
How to Steal Tech Support From Your Friends
Gelb, Janice; Lyris, Sonia Orin; Minz, James; Oliver, Steven
Nehalem
Inclusive Language: Thoughtful writing or PC nonsense?
Martine-Barnes, Adrienne; Perry, Steve; Sheckley, Robert; Swallow, Lisa; Thomson, Amy; Waters, Elisabeth
Quiet Bar
Clarion Meeting
Koja, Kathe
Nestucca
Riddles in the Dark from The Hobbit (members age 6 and up!)
finder, jan howard
Green Room
Sketch a Novel in an Hour with Chris York (part two)
York, Chris
Dealers Room
David Langford - Autograph session
Langford, David

5:00 PM Saturday

Klamath
Susan C. Petrey Fund Auction Part 1
Santiam
How to give good Critique
Ayne, Blythe; Oltion, Jerry; Rosenblum, Mary; Shapiro, Shelly
Wilson
Liar's Panel: The Real Secrets of Getting Published
Holland Rogers, Bruce; Pelan, John; Silverstein, Janna; Whitmore, Tom ; York, J. Steven
Nehalem
Microsoft Conspiracy Theories: What Bill Gates is Really Up to
Catalano, Frank; Davidson, Howard; Gelb, Janice; McCaffrey, Todd J; Noller Brian
Nestucca
Filking: The history of the Ukrainian Bandura
Gaustad, Joan; Torley, Roy
Fan Room
Does Fandom Need Affirmative Action
Forty, Steve; Kare, Mary Kay; Williams, Theo ; Yalow, Ben
Dealers Room
Lois McMaster Bujold Autograph session
McMaster Bujold, Lois

6:00 PM Saturday

Klamath
Susan C. Petrey Fund Auction Part 2
Santiam
Living with Editors: Rewrite Requests & Other Hazards
Hale, Robert; Pelan, John; Perry, Danielle Stephen; Swenson, Honna; What, Leslie
Wilson
Teach me, Obi-Wan: Where to learn to write.
Glass, James C.; Hoffman, Nina Kiriki; McKenna, Bridget; Perry, Steve; Rosenblum, Mary
Nehalem
Flame-Free Newsgroups: Fantasy or Achievable Ideal
Ambler, Chris; Pryor-Brown, Anthony; Rospach, Chuq Von ; Tucker, Judy L; Yalow, Ben
Riverview
Masquerade (Setup)
Nestucca
Reading: Steven R. Boyett, Molly Gloss
Boyett, Steven R.; Gloss, Molly
Dealers Room
Denise Lopes Heald - 6pm, Mike Moscoe - 6:30
Heald, Denise Lopes; Moscoe, Mike

7:00 PM Saturday

Klamath
Interview of Lois McMaster Bujold by Mark Bourne
Bourne, Mark; McMaster Bujold, Lois
Santiam
Filking:
Wilson
Filking:
Nehalem
Games Women will play, what women want
Chu, Kwei Cee; Johnson, Kij
Riverview
Masquerade (Setup)
Nestucca
Reading: Patty Briggs, Bruce Holland Rogers
Briggs, Patty; Holland Rogers, Bruce

8:00 PM Saturday

Klamath
Boffers with Sonia Orin Lyris and Glenn Slate
Lyris, Sonia Orin; Slate, Glenn
Santiam
Filking:
Wilson
Filking:
Nehalem
Erotic horror or soft-core blood sucking
Briggs, Patty; Due, Tananarive; Swallow, Lisa; What, Leslie; Bryant, Ed
Riverview
Masquerade
Nestucca
Reading:

9:00 PM Saturday

Klamath
Boffers Part Two - now you have experience
Lyris, Sonia Orin; Slate, Glenn
Santiam
Filking:
Wilson
Filking:
Nehalem
Favorite vampire stories not written by Anne Rice
Bratman, David; Briggs, Patty; Due, Tananarive; Wrench, Sara; Bryant, Ed
Riverview
Michael Longor
Longcor, Michael
Art Show
Explaining my Art by Alan Clark
Clark, Alan

10:00 PM Saturday

Klamath
Whose Line is it Anyway? (Part 1)
Bourne, Mark; Levine, David; Martin III, Edward; Wells, Marc
Santiam
Filking:
Wilson
Filking:
Nehalem
Filking
Riverview
Dance
Nestucca
Reading: Jean Lamb
Lamb, Jean

11:00 PM Saturday

Klamath
Whose Line is it Anyway? (Part 2)
Bourne, Mark; Levine, David; Martin III, Edward; Wells, Marc
Santiam
Filking:
Wilson
Filking:
Nehalem
Filking
Riverview
Dance

12:00 AM Saturday

Klamath
Conclave
Santiam
Filking:
Wilson
Filking:
Nehalem
Filking
Riverview
Dance
Nestucca
Midnight Horror Reading (Saturday)
Bourne, Adrian; Clark, Alan M.; Pelan, John; Swenson, Honna

1:00 AM Saturday

Klamath
Conclave
Santiam
Filking:
Wilson
Filking:
Nehalem
Filking
Riverview
Dance

2:00 AM Saturday

Klamath
Filking: Concerts
Santiam
Filking:
Wilson
Filking:
Nehalem
Filking
Riverview
Dance

Sunday November 15, 1998

9:00 AM Sunday

Nehalem
Masquerade Wrap-up meeting

9:30 AM Sunday

Riverview
Steven Barnes Tai Chi
Barnes, Steve

10:00 AM Sunday

Klamath
B5 Fan Group Meeting
Santiam
Dance Class: Regency, English country
Sardo, Pippin
Wilson
Polyamory discussion
McClure, Nancy; Reed, Theresa
Nehalem
Tapping the Creative Well: Strange & Unexpected Inspirations
Clark, Alan M.; Hudson, Heather; Organ-Kean, Margaret
Riverview
Steven Barnes Tai Chi (part two til 10:30)
Barnes, Steve
Nestucca
Reading: Michael Scanlon, Edd Vick
Scanlon, Michael; Vick, Edd

11:00 AM Sunday

Klamath
Mars Pathfinder Video and slide show with Bridget Landry
Landry, Bridget
Santiam
Hidden gems: unsung books and authors.
Bunnell, John; Jeter, K.W.; Kaufman, Jerry; Nelson, Louise; Thomson, Amy; Whitmore, Tom
Wilson
Taxes for Authors and Artists: See the IRS outside an Audit
Mason, Cyn
Nehalem
Maintaining Scientific Literacy
Levine, David; Moscoe, Mike; Sauby, Shane; Sefton, Laurie
Riverview
Heather Alexander Concert
Alexander, Heather
Nestucca
Lecture - Building the Russian Space Shuttle with Hugh Gregory
Gregory, Hugh S
Fan Room
Encyclopedia of Fantasy Quiz
Langford, David
Dealers Room
Lois McMaster Bujold - Autograph session
McMaster Bujold, Lois

12:00 PM Sunday

Klamath
Plagues, Pathogens, Killer Viruses: a Lecture not for the faint of heart
Goldoff, Marcia
Santiam
Not with a bang (or: Choose Your Own Doomsday Scenario)
Cramer, John G; Hartman, Norman E.; Lasswell, Patrick S
Wilson
E-rights, when and when not to sell
Fiscus, James; Holland Rogers, Bruce; Howell, Dave; Majerus, Laura A.; Saffel, Steve
Nehalem
Bad SF Movies you love to watch
Heald, Denise Lopes; Tompkins, Suzanne; Waldrop, Howard; Walsh, Michael
Riverview
Art Auction (Setup)
Bigelow, Betty
Nestucca
Storytelling Session: Tara Harper, Reading Mike Moscoe
Harper, Tara
Fan Room
When I was Your Age
Amsbury, Clifton; Clark, David; Pryor-Brown, Anthony; Thomson, Amy
Dealers Room
Irene Radford - Noon, Louise Marley 12:30pm
Marley, Louise; Radford, Irene

1:00 PM Sunday

Klamath
Live Thog's Masterclass (as featured in Ansible - GOH Presentation by David Langford)
Langford, David
Santiam
Keeping up with trends: Is Alternate History passe yet in this dimension?
Lamb, Jean; Taylor, Bruce; Waldrop, Howard; Wrench, Sara
Wilson
We don't use scalpels anymore: Tomorrow's Medicine
Goldoff, Marcia; Harper, Tara; Oliver, Steven; Sauby, Shane
Nehalem
Is there a Book Doctor in the house?
Ice, Kathy; Minz, James; Saffel, Steve; What, Leslie
Riverview
Art Auction Part 1
Bigelow, Betty
Nestucca
Reading: John G Cramer
Cramer, John G
Dealers Room
Mary Rosenblum 1:30pm
Rosenblum, Mary

2:00 PM Sunday

Klamath
Interview: Editor GOH Ellen Asher
Asher, Ellen; Silverstein, Janna
Santiam
The Ring of Fire: When will it wake up?
Forsythe, Margaret; Torley, Roy
Wilson
Onions and Orchids: Improvements for next year
Nehalem
Funding Hard Science - What will it cost us if we don't?
Cramer, John G; Davidson, Howard; Landry, Bridget
Riverview
Art Auction Part 2
Bigelow, Betty
Nestucca
Reading: Steven Barnes,Elizabeth Waters
Barnes, Steve; Waters, Elisabeth
Fan Room
Worldcons for the New Millenium
Howell, Dave; Standlee, Kevin; Yalow, Ben
Dealers Room
Amy Thomson- 2pm, Sara Wrench 2:30
Thomson, Amy; Wrench, Sara

3:00 PM Sunday

Klamath
Howard Waldrop Reading (GOH)
Waldrop, Howard
Santiam
SF/F as Social Commentary: Books with Agendas
Cramer, Pauline; Duval, Dan
Wilson
Game Design 101
Gorden, Greg; Hudson, Heather; Pryor-Brown, Anthony
Nehalem
Herbs are Chemicals Too: the Science Behind Folk Medicine
Lovett, Richard A.; Marley, Louise; Mor, Mari-el; Sefton, Laurie; Thomson, Amy
Nestucca
Art Slideshow - Margaret Organ-Kean
Organ-Kean, Margaret
Dealers Room
Jim Glass - 3PM, Jerry Oltion - 3:30
Glass, James C.; Oltion, Jerry

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